"When You Can Walk on Water Take the Boat",
"Morning Has Been All Night Coming" and
"The Power Pause"
with John Harricharan
By Charles Burke
--author of "Command More Luck" and "Inside the
Minds of Winners
was conducted by Charles Burke from Japan. It was done live and
a recording was made. The following is a transcript of the recording.
More Luck (CML):
Visiting with us today is John Harricharan, award-winning author
and Internet businessman. John recently released a book titled
"The Power Pause". But it's the titles of two earlier
books that really tug at the imagination: "Morning Has Been
All Night Coming" and "When You Can Walk on Water,
Take the Boat".
John is on
the Internet at http://www.powerpause.com, http://www.mindmarketing.com and http://www.insight2000.com.
for talking with us today.
John Harricharan: It's my pleasure,
CML: For readers who are
not familiar with your name, could you give a bit of background
about yourself, your business and your career?
John: You know, when I think
of that question, I always think that there's nothing really
very interesting about who I am. What is more interesting is
what I do.
To make it
a little fun here, I could ask a number of questions. For example,
this guy, John Harricharan is East Indian, but he was not born
in India. He's British but he never lived in Great Britain. He's
American but he wasn't born in America. Who is this masked man?
is John Harricharan.
is very simple. I was born in a little village in Guyana, South
America, right next to the Atlantic Ocean. My father was a farmer.
He never finished fourth grade and my Mom didn't finish first
grade, and I thought I'd make up for them by getting every degree,
every piece of education I could.
So I went to
school, finished high school, went on to college, where I got
a degree summa cum laude in chemistry. Went on from that, did
graduate work at the University of Michigan, picked up an MBA
at Rutgers, and did corporate MBA things like working for major
corporations at some wonderful levels in New York.
But then things
changed. I got bored-was thoroughly familiar with the corporate
boardrooms of America and got bored with some of that and decided
to go out into the world and start my own business. It was the
most wonderful and most horrible thing I ever did.
was, I immediately became extremely successful-I mean, in a very
short while-with international trade, the recycling of precious
metals and so forth. And because of that, expanded my lifestyle
quite a lot, so that the hardest problem for me to decide on
in the morning was which car I was going to take to work.
was interesting. Because I became very successful in the outer
world, I forgot or did not listen to the inner world, and one
day, through a combination of circumstances, I lost everything.
my houses (I had a number of them), my cars, my land. In fact,
what I do at times, I tell people this little message. I say,
"I know what it feels like to have my car repossessed, to
watch my wife die of cancer when she was only in her thirties,
to lose all earthly possessions and start again from ground zero."
I also know
what it feels like to write an award-winning book, to be written
about in other's books, and to be featured in the same book with
His Royal Highness, Prince Phillip of Great Britain, the Dalai
Lama, Paul McCartney and so forth. The contrast brings compassion
and sensitivity to one's life. It makes for balance.
So after losing
everything, we trekked down to the southern city of Atlanta and
started again. Lost my wife. Didn't go back into corporate work.
Was left with two kids to raise (or for them to raise me), and
I started discovering what was important in life.
Out of all
of that came the book When You Can Walk on Water, Take the Boat.
It's a book I was looking for and nobody had it, so I thought
I'd write one myself. What would I tell me? What would I tell
anyone who was going through what I was going through?
And thus, I
got into a writing career. Since then I've consulted with some
household names. I write more books. I do my Internet business.
And our most important project, which was completed a year ago,
is The Power Pause. Three steps, three minutes to personal success
and real happiness.
So that's what
I do, Charles.
CML: That's an interesting
resume. After reading your personal story, you told it in your
first two books, some people might get the idea that you've had
an uncommon lot of bad luck. How do you stay so upbeat?
John: When you look at the
proceedings, from one point of view you may say yes, this man
suffered so much. But if you look at it from another standpoint,
you'd say there are so many others who suffered more than he
did. And as a result of looking at it two different ways, there
is a middle ground, a balance, and the reason I stay so upbeat,
no matter what happens, is I know that the problem out there,
strange and horrible as it seems, is not really out there.
isn't with the problem. The problem is what do I think about
the problem. If I let fear or depression or anger or any of these
negative emotions get me down, then I'd surely suffer even more.
But when I remember that all these things are temporary, they
come to pass, and all we have to do is keep on keeping on, and
the valley of the shadow of suffering will lead us to the mountaintops
CML: I heard somebody say
one time: if you life has been flowering beautifully and suddenly
the flowers start to die, just check. Have you forgotten to water
John: Ah! That is a very,
very deep, wonderful statement. Many times we just worry about
the flower and forget where the flower came from. So we must
always look at ourselves.
CML: You have another new
website about to open, don't you?
John: Yes, in fact, it will
be one of those special things I have always wanted to do. It
is called enterprisingspirit.com (http://www.enterprisingspirit.com),
a place where business and spirit meet. That's because of my
strong belief that business does not do business with business.
People do business with people. And if you want to do business
with people, if you love people, if your spirit meets their spirit,
you will buy and sell and prosper. You will be happy; you'll
be joyous. This is what we will do on that website. It will be
a subscription membership site, and it's destined to open in
about three or four weeks.
CML: I'd like to get back
to this a little later, but let's take a side trip here.
Do you have
any kind of working definition for luck or fortune or success
that you use in your daily life?
John: I think the simplest
one for me, Charles, is that luck or fortune, either one, whatever
we call them, they are a result of attitudes and beliefs. If
things seem to be going really bad, if you seem to have a spell
of bad luck, your attitude and your beliefs need examining.
If things are
going beautifully, it means that your attitudes and your beliefs
Now, with that
said, I believe that we came here to this earth, and we don't
know exactly why, but I believe that ninety percent of the things
that we came here for could be changed. We could change careers,
husbands or wives, or places we live and so forth. But there
are about ten percent of things, maybe three or four of the most
important things that we have made agreements on, way before
we got here, that we hardly ever change.
have to be when you come to a point where things never seem to
go right, where everything seems horrible and you wonder is someone
slapping me in the face? Every time I try to do something that
I believe would take me to where I want to go, it seems like
a door closes before me.
There are some
of those things that happen, as to why exactly, I don't think
we will ever know, while they're happening. Later on, we will
find that they were probably the most "lucky" things
that ever happened to us. You probably are familiar, Charles
I'm sure you are with the great writer Richard Bach,
author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull. I think most people on
earth know who he is because the book Jonathan Livingston Seagull
put Richard on the cover of Time Magazine.
Now, he and
I have had quite some talks. I've known Richard, I guess, over
two decades, and one of the things that intrigued me about this
was, once he and I were talking about something that had happened
to me, the loss of my business and so forth. Richard said to
me, "You know, John, one day you will look back on this
period and you will think of it as the most positive thing that
ever happened to you.
And I thought,
"You know, I'd like to choke that man."
But in retrospect,
it was one of the happiest, one of the most positive, one of
the most glorious things that happened to me. But while I was
going through that, it didn't seem that way. It's like we said.
It's like going through a super laundry. It's not fun while it's
happening, but when you come out, you're clean. And so I think
there are those around us, those who are in the invisible world,
a whole big, giant situation that we can't even dream of, just
like an ant could never conceive of what an elephant is.
And I think
there are guardians and guardian angels and helpers who sometimes,
in spite of what we think we want, would push us another way
for our greater good.
Take for example
a seven-year-old kid. If my son Jonathan decided it would be
fun to run across the highway when cars are coming, I certainly
wouldn't worry about his free will at that time. I'd grab him
forcibly and hold him until the cars had passed, and I would
give him a good scolding for that.
So I feel at
times the universe comes to our aid. I believe the universe is
biased on our side. And sometimes we are like willful children
wanting to do this or that, and we are prevented, for our own
good, for our own growth, from doing that which we think we really
want to do.
there is an answer to what you asked.
CML: Okay, let me ask it
up front, then. Do you actually believe in luck?
John: Not as the word is
used these days. I do believe luck is the situation where being
prepared and taking action meet. Churchill once said a very interesting
thing. I mean, Churchill said almost everything. He said, "People
occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves
up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
is when you pick yourself up and you say, "Hah, what happened
there?" And you look at it and all of a sudden you start
changing your world.
CML: You have some experience
with going through bad luck periods. Times when it feels like
life is just trying to block everything you try to do. Is there
anything a person can do to hurry up and get on through a period
John: I remember the story
about when Columbus sailed for the New World. It seemed like
a very intimidating venture, and he came upon a place where he
thought that nothing would happen, that they had run aground,
a place in the Atlantic called the Sargasso Sea, the seaweed,
and it was scary. But once he got through that, he realized that
that was only an illusion; it was just something that was there.
The sea was as deep there as anyplace.
So when we
go through times of that nature, it calls for a bunch of things.
First of all, to realize that no matter what it is, it's temporary.
Even life as we know it here on this planet is temporary. And
if we keep that in mind, we will understand that it will pass.
thing, and this is very important. During those times, we tend
to get very depressed. We have friends and family, those who
love us, who try to tell us what to do and what not to do, and
if they don't do that, they're like Job's comforters. They come
on and try to say, "Look, I know, isn't it terrible that
you're suffering so much. Wish we could help you with that suffering."
All those things put together, Charles, tend to make you even
What you need
to do is to go into the silence and hear the sound of your heart.
Hear the voice of your soul telling you, "It's okay, son;
it's okay, daughter; it's okay, my child. This is temporary.
You're going to get through this, just hold on. Hold on a little
And here is
the crux of the matter, Charles. You need to have hope. If you
ever lose hope, you lose everything.
Now, you don't
need faith to have hope. But you certainly do need hope to come
up with faith.
So go into
the silence, listen to you talk to you, and be quiet because
silence might just be another name for God.
CML: Can you give some
examples of when good luck has helped move you toward your goals?
John: I think a very important
word is "enthusiasm" because it creates good luck.
There are things that have happened in my life that others could
look at and say, "Well, you know, he's been very lucky."
Take for example,
the book, When You Can Walk on Water, Take the Boat. I never
was trained as a writer. I was a scientist, a mathematician dealing
in physics, chemistry and such fields.
Then one day,
I decided to write a book. I had no idea what it was going to
be called, but I want to tell you, before I wrote that book,
I never took writing courses.
a funny story about that. The only course I ever took in writing
was called "Creative Writing" and I got a "D"
I almost failed.
I was to sit down and write a book which became When You Can
Walk on Water, Take the Boat.
Now, I know
a number of things the statistics are there but I
didn't really know them at that time. Statistics say that 90
to 95 percent of all authors never make any money on their books.
They probably never sell more than 5,000 to 10,000 copies. It's
the five percent that we hear of all the time that do so well.
Well, I didn't
know that. And I didn't think that anybody was going to publish
this book, so what I did was, I self-published it. I got a few
thousand copies, and I thought to myself, "Well, it's a
nice little book; I'll probably sell 300 or 400 copies, and the
rest will stay in the boxes in my basement, and decades from
now my grandchildren or great-grandchildren will find them and
say, 'Hah, that's what he used to do. No wonder we starved'."
A strange thing
happened. The book started selling, and suddenly the first printing
was gone. I said to myself, "Darn, what happened there?"
So we had a second printing. And the second printing sold out.
By the third printing, I said, "This is amazing, I'd better
read this book." So I read it again, and I thought, well,
I just can't believe I wrote that because now other people are
giving it validity. I thought I had just put together a little
Then, by the
third printing, the major companies in New York started getting
interested, so Berkeley published it (that's part of Putnam),
and then later on, Harper Collins, and then it appeared in the
Spanish translation in Spain, then throughout Latin America.
It was printed in French and Italian and Portuguese. And I had
very, very little to do with it physically.
You asked about
luck. Was there anything that seemed lucky about it? Well, yeah.
I didn't do much about the book, but it appeared that the book
had its own energy and did its own thing. That's why, today,
years later, it's still all over the world, and every day people
download it and drop me notes about it. And I still am a little
puzzled, but I think it's a part of that ten percent deal where,
in a way, this was meant to be, to take me to other places.
be considered luck.
summa cum laude could be considered luck, but let me tell you,
I did study. A component of luck is work, action, and if you
will, self-talk. Enthusiasm.
CML: Let's get back to
this new website of yours, http://www.enterprisingspirit.com.
Could you tell us a little about that?
John: Okay. Enterprisingspirit.com
will have articles, books, information as to how to use the spiritual
side of us to make business successful. It will have guest writers,
people who do that, people who realize, as Kennedy and others
said, that a rising tide raises all ships, that it is not a competitive
world. It's a cooperative world. And your competition is actually
yourself of yesterday.
What it will
do, Charles, is to put a different spin on the way we do business.
Jonathan Mizel and I talked for a while, and we talked about
what is happening in the Internet today, or in businesses. There
seems to be a push to get as much as you can. You, too, have
probably seen them, Charles, in the ezines that you might receive,
and the spam that we all get. In fact, there was a beautiful
one the other day. It said, "Earn $60,000 a year by doing
nothing, absolutely nothing."
CML: "and we'll do
all the work."
John: Right. And I thought,
"Yes, and the moon is made of green cheese, and the tooth
fairy visits a lot, and Santa Clause really comes down the chimney."
CML: "and there's
a bridge I want to sell you."
John: Yeah, yeah. And I
thought of that, and Jonathan and I said, "You know, here
is the thing about people on the Internet and many of them
are very successful they go about and they're trying to
sell you what they think works, which is not a bad thing; that's
good. But they're selling you the same thing, and they're telling
you why you've got to buy it by 12 midnight tomorrow night or
else the price doubles. But you check again in three days and
you'll find that it's 12 midnight three days from now. And if
you check two weeks from now, the same thing happens. It's a
little Java script, or some Perl programming or something (I
don't know the technicalities of it all), and then you find everyone
sending you information as to why you must do this and why you
must do that.
every once in a while I come upon someone hardly
does anyone say, "Look, what is it that you really want
to do? This is what I have. This will help you."
old show, one of my favorites with Kwai Chang Kane. It's called
"The Legend Returns" or something of that nature, and
it has this man who lives in Chinatown. Whenever you have problems
and you meet him, he says, "Come to Chinatown. I will help
you." And what comes out of him is such honesty, such integrity,
and that's what we are not finding any more, anyplace, even with
the large companies.
is designed to have people come back to the basics of what makes
things work, what makes success. Again, When You Can Walk on
Water, Take the Boat became a best seller, not because I ran
out there and tried to get every review there was. It was like
I sat there, I was quiet, and the reviews came to me.
It was like
they were attracted to me because I wasn't pushing them away
with willfulness instead of willingness. The moment we get from
willfulness to willingness, when we start allowing things that
are good to come to us, rather than to chase after them, we will
find ourselves becoming a lot more successful, and we will find
that Lady Luck seems to smile on us more often.
CML: In the midst of all
this hurry-hurry and excessive commercialism, do we seem to be
seeing the stirrings of a new spiritual awakening?
John: About eight or ten
years ago I made a prediction that the twenty-first century would
create the beginnings of a whole new paradigm, a place where
people start becoming more interested in people and less interested
in things. Instead of loving things and using people, they would
start loving people and using things.
know, Charles, that I'm in touch with lots of different people
at all levels of society in this world. One of the things I find
that's very interesting and really wonderful is, in the most
successful people, there is the most loving heart you could think
Now, we may
not always read that in papers or magazines, because you wouldn't
believe some of the things I read about me in interviews, but
these people exude, I would say, a degree of spirituality which
is far beyond what we call common religion.
The word religion
itself came from the root word meaning to bind or to tie together,
and as you probably noticed, it has done a lot of that binding
into different little groups who seem to fight each other all
the time. This is not to say that religions haven't done a lot
of good, but at the same time, it's been like science, where
science has brought us the refrigerator and the washing machine
and the computer and the hydrogen bomb and the poison gas, and
all kinds of other things that come with it.
So I really
believe that humanity is on the way up, that the pace is getting
quicker and quicker. We're all going to the same place. We're
going to the mountaintop. Some are halfway up the mountain, some
are just at the base, and some have about reached the peak. And
I think what's going to happen later, as we go on with this decade,
is that people are going to begin to see that this is a very,
very positive, successful way to live, because then we get rid
of a lot of stress, the stress of hurry-hurry.
And we'll do
things like Jonathan Mizel is doing. He left yesterday for Hawaii.
He'll stay there for a while, and then he goes anyplace he wants
to go, because he is not centered on the thing itself. He's centered
on the feeling within him, how he wants to feel, which is freedom.
That's the beginning of freedom.
So yes, to
paraphrase all that, this is a very important decade. More people,
at all levels, again, in business are going to come to see that
maybe there's a new way to do this.
CML: You mentioned just
briefly in passing the relationship to religious things. This
doesn't really seem to be connected very directly with religion,
this time around, does it?
John: No. No. Religion,
I think, was a tool that was started by people to grasp some
truths, that some teacher may have taught at one time. But what
occurred, as religion become more formalized, we saw economic
reasoning getting in there, and we saw another very interesting
people worship the message bearer, instead of listening to the
message. Because the message of all the teachers (and I will
not get into naming religions here), but the messages were very
similar. Like love your neighbor. Love your God. Love yourself.
Help others. If somebody is hungry, feed him. If he thirsts,
give him to drink. If he is naked, clothe him. It didn't say
you've got to fall down three times a day on your knees and turn
to the heavens and pray, or you have to polish a crystal, or
you have to say fifteen mantras, or chant all day. Those are
little tools we use to get ourselves to a point where we could
feel the connectedness with the universe.
I don't think
for one instant we would have been put here without the tools
necessary to make it a wonderful, glorious life.
helped people to get to a certain point. Then, what happens is,
it takes off. They don't need formal religion any longer. They
just need a close personal relationship with their creator, that's
said something to the effect that 'things should be made as simple
as possible and not one whit simpler'.
CML: The trick is knowing
where the 'not one whit' falls.
to your website, Where do you get most of your ideas for new
products or services? Do you have a special brainstorming process,
or do your ideas come from things you hear customers asking for?
John: Well, I get them from
the idea fairy, from the shower fairy, from the walk fairy. And
not to be facetious, really, but that's how it happens. If we
open our minds, we will find ideas come to us and tap us on the
shoulder and say, "Hey John, here I am. What do you think
of me? What do you want to do with me? I'll work with you."
use different methods. For example, this brainstorming thing
is very good. But that, too, is a universal law, a kind of a
sample of the mastermind technology or teaching, where you put
a number of minds together, and the sum of the total of those
minds is far greater than if you were to add them one-to-one.
So, many of
my ideas come from quiet reflection, because then I feel them,
and they tap me and say, "I'm here."
this enterprisingspirit.com came out of the seminar in Atlanta,
the SuperSeminar. I had never seen such a group, and even yesterday,
Mizel told me that it was "the most important, best seminar"
he had ever attended.
And guys like
Declan Dunn told me that.
CML: I'd have to add my
voice to that. This was a watershed experience for me, and I
had no idea of it at the time. I thought I was just meeting some
really interesting people.
John: But you see, what
occurred there, Charles, was a combination of everybody's spirit
meeting together and forming a unit that was far greater than
any one person there. Because to this day, many of them communicate
with me, and I'm sure with you and others. I hear from them constantly,
and what was created was an energy form which could solve any
A lot of people
made contacts there. A lot of people get help. I ask them to
help me in many cases, and they say sure. Well, this is what
enterprisingspirit.com will do. It will take that type of energy
and put it in a website, and we're going to make it very, very
inexpensive. Instead of $49 a month, I think we'll have it at
$9.95 a month. There's a reason for that. Some people would say
to me, "Why don't you do it free?"
Well, you know,
sometimes you do things free. I give away When You Can Walk on
Water, Take the Boat on the Internet. Lots of people get it,
they read it, they love it, and they forget about it. But it
is important in a give-and-take world, a sowing-and-reaping world,
that we give service and we receive service. We receive an exchange
of energy. And if we don't do it that way, it won't work for
So it will
be a place to help many, many, many entrepreneurs who will go
there, read something, and maybe one sentence that sticks with
them will create a fortune.
CML: When an idea comes
and taps you on the shoulder, I don't know if you're like me,
but I get a lot of ideas, but not all of them are really top
notch. How do you recognize when a new idea is a really good
John: You will feel it.
You won't be able to right away tell by logic that it is. You
will feel it somewhere deep within you. It won't let you go.
It won't let you go until you do something with it, or you absolutely
So you will
have about twenty different ideas at different times. For example,
I get those, too, and some of them are not that bad, and some
of them are fantastic, and a whole bunch of them are lousy. We
have to be careful about our ideas because we might be wishing
for something that we don't really want.
take my business. Whenever I get into doing it like a "real
business" which is like, "okay, let's see if I can
get into the top ten spots in the search engines." Or here
is a chance of getting my book into some list someplace. And
when I start going after the mechanics of the thing, I start
losing the power of my being, and I become someone who tries
to learn all there is about a car by examining the engine or
the tires, forgetting that here is the set of keys. All you've
got to do is put it in the little thing, turn it, and it will
It's like what
I heard, a story of these men who went into a mango orchard in
India to study mangos. They brought their notepads, their yellow
pads and their pencils, and their rulers and whatnot to measure
and study and categorize mangos.
While a bunch
of them were doing this, there was one sitting under a tree eating
a mango. You see, that man who was eating the mango, knew mangos.
The others knew about mangos. So there's a great difference when
ideas come to us, the ones that really resonate with us, because
I think they're electromagnetic in nature, that certain good
ideas, like good beliefs, bunch together and help one another.
If we have a diverse bunch of them, where they're fighting against
each other, there's not going to be the peace there.
To get the
right idea you've got to get into the mode of listening, and
listening doesn't only have to happen when you're awake. Some
of the greatest ideas came in dreams to people.
anybody could figure out anything called organic chemistry, in
which most of our life styles of this world are actually based
right now, there was a guy called Kekulé who was sleeping,
couldn't find the formula for the benzene ring. He had this dream
of six people dancing in a circle or something of that nature,
and got up and said, "You know, this formula is a ring,
not a straight long chain of stuff." And that was the beginning
of organic chemistry.
Some of the
greatest breakthroughs-I think his name was Elias Howe, of the
sewing machine-he couldn't figure how to get the thing to work
properly. Then one time he had this dream that he was being chased
by a whole bunch of natives with spears, and the spears had holes
at the tips. Then he got up the next day and he said, "You
know, that's interesting. Let's put the eye of the needle at
the tip of the needle in the sewing machine. Isn't that what
they do these days?
So we get these
ideas in dreams, in feelings, in daydreaming.
played with little hotels, knew he was going to buy them when
he got older, and it just happened that this became a reality.
So your ideas are transformed by your beliefs, your enthusiasms,
your attitudes, into that which you really want.
not to be always positive here, your ideas if they are
fearful ideas will translate themselves, using your emotions,
into fearful happenings in your life. So if you don't want to
have terrible things happen to you all the time, you have to
just make sure that you are not giving those terrible thoughts
energy by dwelling on them all the time, by being afraid of them,
because it's stated in the Good Book "that which I feared
most has come upon me." That was Job lamenting his "bad
luck," if you will.
CML: Do you sometimes find
yourself getting into a slump period, like a spell of "aw,
I just don't want to motive myself today" or a less-than-good-luck?
And if so, what do you do to put yourself back on track?
John: Okay. First question:
yes, I get into a little slump often enough because I think I
should start a club called The Procrastinators Club (but I bet
they have one), with the theme of "why do today what you
can do tomorrow."
at times, I think I'm lazy. So there are things I should do that
I don't do at the appropriate moment, and I worry about them
a little bit. But here's the secret: it's okay to do that
it's okay to feel a little bad every once in a while. The problem
is, if you do that and stay there, then you're starting to affect
your entire life.
So yes, I have
my little pity parties. I do feel depressed. And I get out of
these things by using what I call "sources of inspiration."
of inspiration? Well, they are all around us. Sometimes it's
too long to wait to get to that motivational seminar or to do
this or do that. But one of my sources is actually nature. Just
a little walk in nature. Sitting under a tree by a river. You
can't help but be inspired.
is music. How many times in the middle of some of the greatest
problems we have, there's a haunting melody or something that
will take us away from what appears to be happening to us right
of inspiration you should see my library I know Joe
Vitale, my dear friend, has a great library, and I'm not going
to compare mine with his, but I have sitting on my bookshelves
some of the greatest teachers on earth, the authors of these
source of inspiration would be books, seminars, tapes. I use
those things to get out of the temporary slump.
CML: What would you say
to people who have these books and tapes on their shelf, but
they just leave them there, they don't actually use them?
John: I think people like
to collect things. They collect books, they collect other people,
they collect cars, they collect hats, they collect a lot of things.
And if these books are on the shelves, and you don't read them,
it's like what difference does it make if you didn't even know
how to read? Because you have there the secrets of the universe,
and all the thoughts of all the great minds you have access
to them and you refuse to even hear what they say.
It's like a
sage would be speaking to me and I don't even listen. That's
what happens if you collect books for the sake of collecting.
anything for the sake of collecting has no value, really, if
you don't love the thing you're collecting. So I suggest that
people open their books and read them. Pick any book. Go to the
library. Go to your bookshelf. Pick any one of those books. Open
that book to any page, and you will probably find a message that
was written there particularly for you.
CML: What books or teachers
have helped you grow?
John: Many of them probably
are invisible. Many of them are in books, But I have bumped into
some people on earth, and I think what happens here is, we meet
people for one of two reasons, or a combination. One is to learn
something from them. Two is to teach them something. And if you
can have fun doing either one of those, or both, you could become
Along the way
were some professors in college. The dean of my university, who
was very, very understanding and taught me a lot about life.
I have had friends of all kinds. Deepak Chopra and I have had
numerous conversations in the past, where it wasn't that either
of us was trying to teach the other one, but we were just exchanging
views, and out of those views came bigger and better situations.
I would say a lot of friends that I have or some of them are
new friends, like yourself, Charles, or like my dear friend,
Rick Beneteau, who I call "the maverick marketer,"
because Rick talks from his soul and his heart, and I think he
will always be successful in marketing. He is a people person,
and he doesn't worry too much about the mechanics; he worries
about the integrity and he deals with that.
friend, Yanik and I, we talk a lot and I think we both grow from
beings meet, there is a learning and a teaching. So I couldn't
put my finger on any one person, but on all of them. Some of
the masters of the Far East. Some Yogis, some Swamis.
the late Og Mandino. He and I were the keynote speakers at a
major event in Atlanta. That little meeting inspired me so much.
And he himself, as he want around, he kept asking, "Where
is John, where is John?" And I kept going around saying,
"Where is Og, where is Og?" When we met, he said, "Oh
I said to him,
"Og, I've read your books."
And he said,
"John, I've read yours, too."
And I thought,
isn't this wonderful, a man I'd dreamed of when I was a little
boy, read his books, finally meeting. So that's how we meet them,
but we don't go out of our way; we don't have to go out of our
way to meet them.
fortunate when these things occur. I have met people through
some of the strangest ways. I told you about the magic of the
book When You Can Walk on Water, Take the Boat. Would you believe,
one of the mystical things about it, that I can't understand
to this day is, anybody no matter what his or her problem
is when they read that book, they get back to me and say,
"You know, I was going through this, it was bad; guess what,
it changed; I don't know how." This is interesting.
Well, I always
had heard of Muhammed Ali, the champ, right? And because of the
book, or because of some magic of something, I got to meet him,
and we became friends. In fact, I introduced him to Elizabeth
Kuebler-Ross. So we meet people like that because we don't have
to be in awe of anybody. What we have to do is think of them
as awesome, which is different.
other, their spirit speaks to us and we speak to theirs, and
we get together at a level where all men and women are equal
that's in the sight of God, I think. And then we can relate,
we can tell our stories. By the sea we can exchange tales, like
Deepak and I have done a number of times, and many of the others.
They will come to you if you don't chase after them, whoever
'they' happen to be. Because this is an attractive universe.
to us things that are like us. And we repel from us things that
are not like us. So if we want
CML: This is important.
Could you say that again?
John: We attract to us things
and people who are like us, and we repel or push away from us
things and people who are totally unlike us.
If we look
around and say, "You know, I certainly wouldn't attract
that person," then you'd better get into your belief system.
Check out what you believe about yourself, how worthy you are
of things. Because one of the terrible things, one thing that
contributes to tremendous "bad luck" or misfortune
is a simple little word called guilt.
You asked about
mentors and friends and what not. Once upon a time there was
a man called Foster Hibbard. Foster was one of the few remaining
people who had taught with and lectured with Napoleon Hill of
Think and Grow Rich, and as you probably know and as your audience
will know, Napoleon Hill spent many, many years of his life studying
the habits of successful people, how they became successful,
how they became wealthy. And Foster was privileged to be a part
of studying this and teaching it with Napoleon Hill.
A few years
ago, through a very strange situation, Foster and I were introduced
to each other. Now, it's been a few years since he died, but
Foster taught me so many things about money, about wealth, about
success, and he would call me at least twice a week. Out of that
came this feeling that, you know, everything is possible. This
man would call, and no matter what his problem was, he'd say,
"John, how are you?" And he would want to find out
how I was doing.
How many times
we call people and we say, "Gee, Jim, I gotta tell you what
it was like today," and we go on telling people what it
By the way,
I just found a new thing to do with telemarketers who call me
at dinner. They always say, "Gee, Mr. H. My name is so-and-so.
How are you today?"
And I can't
resist it; it's the ham in me. I say, "Well, you really
want to know? Let me tell you what it was like when I got up
this morning." And the poor person I'm not being nasty,
but I'm just kidding around, bringing a little lightness into
them and to myself. I'll go through with it, and they'll say,
"Oh, I'm so sorry about that, but let me tell you about."
I say, "You
really wanted to know? Aren't you listening?"
thing. When we ask somebody how he or she is doing, we ought
to be able to listen to what he or she says, because I'm convinced
that many of us could solve somebody else's problems by either
a phone call or a signature, and we absolutely refuse to do that.
I wrote an
article, Charles, and this is going to be in the enterprisingspirit.com
site: "A Little Known Business Secret," and I'll tell
your audience what it is. The little known business secret has
to do with good will, of doing things for others without expecting
anything. That's one of the things that creates "good luck."
Helping others without a thought of return.
Yes, as simple
as that. Because just as you couldn't receive without giving,
you couldn't give without receiving.
CML: Say that again, please.
John: Just as you couldn't
receive without giving, you cannot give without receiving.
CML: You cannot give without
receiving. This is a universal law.
John: Yeah, if you give,
you certainly will get back, because here's this strange little
thing. You can't out-give the universe. You plunk a ten dollar
bill down for the universe and say, "Hey, you beat that,"
and before you blink, there's a hundred dollar bill someplace.
And this happens. People think that this is really impractical
stuff. When they think so, I want to remind them that, you know,
I'm a scientist, I'm an MBA guy, I've been through business,
I talk to people at all levels of corporations, and the last
time I checked, I wasn't totally nuts.
This is really,
really practical stuff. There are examples all over the place.
One day in
those what you call "bad luck" days, Charles, I think
I had five bucks in my pocket and I was driving to go to the
grocery to buy milk and bread for my little kids. Their mom had
died. Here we were, no insurance, no anything, and we're struggling
just to be able to eat.
On my way,
I saw a man standing with his wife and two kids, with a sign
(they do that down south here, you know), and the sign says,
Will Work for Food.
oh poor things. Two kids, wife. I don't know if he made it up,
but I passed them. I felt so guilty as I passed them with my
five dollars in my pocket, and I drove about a mile. I couldn't
get over this feeling of "I've got to help them." So
I made a U-turn, came back, stopped next to where they were,
and I handed the guy the five dollars. And I thought, "This
is crazy. Now I'll have to go home and check to see if I have
I checked the
little thing in the car and there was come change, so I thought
at least I'd be able to get a loaf of bread and I'll figure out
about the milk later on.
So I pulled
into the parking lot at the supermarket, and as I got out of
the car and stepped out, I stepped on a twenty dollar bill. Right
under my shoe. I picked it up and I said, "Wow, you really
can't out-give the universe." I gave away five bucks, I
got twenty bucks back. I was able to get the milk, the bread
and everything else.
This is such
a practical thing. It happens. This is the secret of red lights
becoming green, finding a parking space in the most crowded mall
in the middle of Christmas. Yet, we think it's only the things
we can measure, the things we can touch, and the things we can
hold that will make us successful. And we forget that we can't
even see air, and without it we'd surely die.
CML: How important a part
of success is the feeling that you deserve good things?
John: Great! I was talking
about Foster Hibbard, and one thing he talked about: he said,
"Guilt is the [cause] of most poverty, most failures."
If you do not feel you deserve good things, subconsciously you
will do all within your power to punish yourself by not getting
those good things. So the feeling of deserving is a very important
again, very great scientific reasons for this. You see, the subconscious
(which like a faithful servant), the subconscious reacts to two
things very quickly. One is repetition, and the other is strong
feelings. That's why those people who have bought my book called
The Power Pause, where we talked about feelings and gave examples
about it, have written me with some of the most wonderful stories
you could think of. Because by generating the feelings (and I'm
going to tell you what that is). Here it is. It's a little secret,
a well known secret.
You want anything?
Feel how you would feel if the thing you wanted to have happen
happened. Simple as that. And keep feeling that way.
to me, "But John, you can't make yourself feel that way."
is, why not? Whose feelings are they? Right now as we're talking,
Charles, I have a pen in my left hand. And I think, what can
I do with that pen? I could throw it in the waste paper basket.
I could step on it. I could give it away. I could keep it. Why?
Because it's my pen.
The same with
thoughts: "Oh I can't change my thoughts." Well, here's
a simple thing: whose thoughts are they? Are they not your thoughts?
Don't you think them, or do your thoughts think you?
If you think
your thoughts, then you can think other thoughts. If you have
certain feelings, then you can change them to other feelings,
because they are your feelings. That's where we use sources of
inspiration to get us out of the horrible, gloomy, rainy-day
feeling into the sunshiny type feelings. So we can change our
very, very important. Emotions actually color our world, and
we need emotions. We need feelings to be able to create a kind
of goal-seeking mechanism, which our subconscious actually is.
We need to speed it up. We need the catalyst. That is so important
CML: For years, I did affirmations
and visualizations, and self hypnosis, and for years, nothing
much happened. It wasn't until I discovered people had
been telling me, I suppose, all that time, but I never noticed
somehow you gotta have some feelings for what you want,
or you'll never live there.
John: That's right. It's
like being passionate about what you do. By feeling that within
you, you may not have to go out and get the thing; the thing
will come towards you.
CML: People may have to
work at it a little bit when they first start developing a new
skill, this skill of directing your emotions.
John: Right, and it's like
anything else. We have got to work at it before it really becomes
workable in a subconscious way, where it becomes a habit. It's
like anything else. The first time I drove a car, it certainly
wasn't an experience like now. Right now I'll jump in my car
and I'll get to someplace without even knowing what streets I've
passed. Without even noticing the red lights or green lights,
because somehow the red lights will trigger me to stop, and I
didn't even know I stopped. This is because we are guided by
what I call intention. Very important.
What do I intend to do? Well, I intend to have this new site
I'm putting up, and write a few more books, and have them all
are certain steps I have to take. I've got to do something, I
imagine. I've got to write the sales letter. I've got to send
out some email. I've got to pass it around. But that, to me,
isn't the most important thing. What is the most important thing
for me is to think of all the thousands of people who will come
to the site and who will derive such great benefit from this
place. And then I start seeing them being fulfilled. And guess
what? If I do that often enough, I will get an urge to: "change
that sentence in the sales letter, John," or "check
the spelling of this word, John." I'll have an urge to "pick
up the phone and call Declan Dunn, John." Do this and do
that. You see, I don't have to force myself to think of what
to do if I'm passionate about what I love.
You know, talking
about Richard Bach, I once asked Richard, "You've been rich
and you've been poor, and you've been broke, and you've been
a multi-millionaire, so you know a lot about that, tell me; what
is it that makes us successful? And I'll never forget the words
he used. He said, "John, give yourself, give your gift as
brilliantly and as beautifully as you can to the world, and the
world will say 'thank you'."
And I went,
I mean, the
world would say 'Thank you'? Man, I'd be a multi-millionaire
if I banked all the 'thank you's I got.
He said, "You
didn't let me finish."
I said, "Okay,
okay give your gift as brilliantly as you want and the world
would say 'thank you' right?"
He said, "Yep.
And they generally say 'thank you' by sending you money. Checks.
Buying your books."
He said, "We
were broke, and we put together this little book called Bridge
Across Forever, and we gave it to the world through our publisher
and we let it go. People started to read that book. It was our
gift, and they started buying it, and little bits of their checks
went through our publisher and came to us as royalties and pulled
us out of all the problems where money was concerned."
And then another
time he said, "You know what? Hurl" (and I love this
word) "hurl yourselves at the thing you love, and the entire
universe will come to your aid."
It's an interesting
universe, Charles. I would have made it a little differently,
but I don't know that much, you see.
CML: What about the person
who doesn't know what they love?
John: I really think that
most everybody knows, somewhere deep within himself or herself,
what it is that they love.
is, they permit themselves to be surrounded by such an atmosphere
of hurry and worry and everything else that they cannot even
hear the birds sing; they cannot hear their children crying or
calling and saying, "We love you daddy," or "We
love you, mommy. We wish we could see you a little bit more often."
They have surrounded themselves in a cocoon, and so they have
imprisoned the splendor that's within them.
What they have
to do is stop for a little while and let that imprisoned splendor
come out, and they will feel the glory of their lives. They will
then feel themselves attracted into painting the greatest painting
on earth, writing the great American novel. How many people have
done that? They must slow down; they must stop beating themselves
up; they must get rid of this guilt for things they may have
done or may not have done, because what guilt does is this: it
keeps making you pay for something you've paid for already.
Now, when you
realize that, there's no need to be guilty. I talk in my consultation
practice, where I have people calling me from all over the planet
to talk to me for a half an hour. I meet many, many people, and
you wouldn't suspect who some of these people are. If I were
to mention a name, you'd recognize it immediately, many of them.
And one of
the things they do, they go over beating themselves up. Remember,
we talked about not deserving? They beat themselves up because
they feel guilty.
You know, I
have a good cure for guilt, and I think I wrote about it in one
of my books. I tell the story of this western cowboy who jumped
off his horse at noontime and jumped right into a cactus patch.
As soon as he jumped out of it, which was very quickly, his friends
turned to him and said, "Whatever did you do such a stupid
And his answer,
I think, was absolutely brilliant. He said, "You know, it
seemed like a good thing at the time."
it is that we are guilty about, the reason we did it was, it
seemed like a good thing at the time. Or else we wouldn't have
done it. At that time we thought it was fine. We certainly wouldn't
do it again or we hope not so we can deal with the
guilt that way.
they don't deserve. They think they're weak and little beings
in this great world. They think the Internet is full of millions
of people who are getting rich or stealing from each other, or
doing this or doing that, without saying, "No, the Internet
is a part of who I am. This world is a part of me. This is my
dream, and in my world are all these things. And since it's my
dream, I can do whatever it is I want to do with it if
I'm not doubtful, if I'm not fearful.
mean not to be prudent, you know. If I carry a spare tire in
my car as I go on a long trip, it's not because I'm negative;
it's because I'm a little bit sensible. I'm prudent. So it doesn't
mean to just go sell all you've got, go into the world and say,
"Hey, world, here I come."
me of the kid who got out of college, and he ran out and said,
"Here world, here I come. I got my AB degree."
And the world
said, "Sit down, son. I'll teach you the rest of the alphabet."
We must respect
ourselves, and we will discover that we are not some tiny little
being on a little planet in an obscure solar system in the universe,
but perhaps that this entire universe springs from us. Our great
religions tell us things of this nature, but we think, of course,
you know, "Oh gee, that's church stuff, that's not very
Some of the
most practical things are the simplest things, Charles.
CML: You just mentioned
your consulting. You've been described as an intuitive. What
is an intuitive?
John: Well, I think it's
an ordinary person who really uses a few other tools than most
people use. I think we were all born with a sense of knowing
things. That's why, when people talk about learning there's
so much learning to be done and I say, "Why struggle
with learning, when all we have to do is remember?" And
if we remember who we are, we can feel things because we then
get deep within us, and we tap into the various "radio stations,"
which are like: everyone to me is a broadcasting
station and a receiving station. And we could be in communications
no matter where we are; there's certainly enough proof of that.
What I do,
I go into a kind of a quiet time, and I feel something about
somebody and I pick up things that are important to them. I get
the feeling of where they've been, where they are, and what are
the probabilities of going where they're going. I don't tell
the future because the future isn't made yet. I don't know what
the future holds, but I have indications of what will happen,
and I give the probabilities of that. And I touch into some of
their biggest problems and explain to them from my point of view
what it is. I've done that for years.
It is an intuitive
thing. It's using your intuition.
acquired in one of two ways. Through tuition; you pay your tuition,
you go to school and you learn. Or through intuition, where you
feel and you know what is. So when they call me that, I guess
that's what they mean.
CML: When people call,
do they mostly call and want you to ratify what they've perhaps
unconsciously already decided to do, or are they in general really
wide open and willing to accept whatever you advise?
John: It's both, Charles.
I do have some people who call and want me to tell them that
what they are doing is the most wonderful thing possible.
happen. You know, there are three problems: money, health, relationships.
I tell this on my website, insight2000.com. Many people call
about relationships, and they've already met this guy or woman,
or whoever it is, and they want to know that this is the right
person for them. They will call and say, "You know, this
is what has happened. Do you think this is the right person for
Now, I don't
know. People get a little bemused when I tell them I don't know,
but I go through some things asking them to determine, and I
lead them through a process which gets them to feel whether this
is so or not.
Like we said
before, most people don't trust their feelings. Trust is a very
important word. You trust your feelings and they are going to
work better for you than if they were not trusted.
So I think
people come to me for just a little clarification, or a little
CML: How should one work
with an intuitive to get the best results? Is it like working
with a personal coach?
John: I think with an intuitive,
it's like if you are going to approach it this way, if you need
help from people who do intuitive consulting, you need to come
to them with an open mind; it's the best way to do it.
I have, over
a decade and a half, done this, and I used to, in the old days,
make a money-back guarantee. These days, there's no guarantee.
They could hardly get me if they want. I mean we've got people
who want to consult with me so often, so we don't even bother.
But you know, I think in all this time, only three or four times
did I give back the money to the people. And it wasn't that they
asked for it. I didn't feel that I did anything for them, and
I knew it when I started, and I thought, "Well, we won't
bother with it." But most people will listen to what I say
with an open mind. Many of them tell me later, "You know,
John, when you were saying that, I thought, 'Well, you know I
already am paying this guy so much for half an hour and he sounds
like a nice guy, and I'm not going to say anything, but it doesn't
make any sense, what he says'."
But a year
later, or two years later and I have examples of a best-selling
author in Philadelphia who lectures throughout the country, has
been on TBS and television and Good Morning America and whatnot
way before that, I said to her, "You know, see you
on television, see you talking to a lot of people, see books."
And only years
later she told me she'd thought I was nuts. Now she can afford
to say that because she's doing all those things. It's not that
I foretell the future. I can't do that, or else I wouldn't be
doing the things I'm doing. I'd just sit down and say well, I
know all that's going to happen. It's fun, but it's like playing
a card game, Charles. If you know every hand of every person,
the first two or three games are great. By the fourth and fifth,
you're bored to death, and boredom isn't a fun thing, although
there are times people say to me, "John, you know, if you
didn't have any problems, you'd be bored to death." And
I say, "Bore me, man, I want to be bored for a short while."
is not fun, and that's why we have challenges, and that's why
we have these things we've got to do, and that's why we have
to remember the observer effect in physics, which says that whatever
the observer observes changes. Or the observer changes that which
he or she observes.
if that's true, and we have our high energy physicists saying
that, then it means that if I see my world a little differently,
it will change to be the way I want it to be. If I'm scared of
my world, it means that it will be a scary world.
You know the
little saying, "Two men looked through bars, one saw mud,
the other saw stars."
thou seest, man become, too, thou must; God, if thou seest god;
dust if thou seest dust."
it is we see with the inner eye and either love or are afraid
of. That's what we'll bring into our lives. That's where the
whole luck thing is.
CML: By the way, John,
one thing we haven't talked about much is Power Pause. And this
is one of the main reasons I was impressed with you in the first
place. Could you tell us about your website, powerpause.com?
John: Okay. One of the things
I'm going to do, because a funny thing happened not long ago,
Charles, somebody said, "Power paws, is that something for
cats? They've got paws that are powerful?" So I spell it
for them P-O-W-E-R-P-A-U-S-E a power pause, pausing with power.
I put that together is, I have known many teachers of all religions,
all philosophies, experts and whatnot, and there are so many
people who teach you this and that, and they all work all
these things work but in our society today, we don't have
two hours for meditation. We don't have two hours for the silence.
And if you want to try various forms of this sort of thing, that's
great if you have the time and the money.
So what I did,
I took all the complicated things I have ever learned from all
the friends and teachers that I've had, and from what I knew
within my heart, put them together in three little steps. Three
principles. That's all. Not complicated at all. Three principles
that anyone could do in three minutes, a number of times a day.
And if they do that, as you probably can attest, Charles, if
they do that, their entire world changes. Becomes a beautiful,
brilliant, great world out there instead of a scary world.
was written at the simplest level so that anybody could use it.
And it's not written in a how-to fashion. It's not: you do this
and you do that and you do the other, and this is going to happen
no. It's written as a story, a teaching story, and as you
read that, you remember the story. The truth is buried within
the story. A simple formula, three minutes, three steps to personal
success and real happiness.
CML: We're almost out of
time, but do you have any parting words of special advice to
readers who're still trying to get in touch with their own spirituality?
John: Yes. First, start
trusting yourself. Don't force yourself to find your spirituality.
Don't force yourself to grow into spirituality. You don't have
to. It's like a fish looking for water. You are already as spiritual
as you could ever be. All you have to do is remember that. Don't
feel guilty, have an open mind, learn to trust yourself, learn
to care, learn to switch focus, and learn to be you as brilliantly
as possible. Don't worry about competition. Don't worry about
the problems. The problems came from something that's in your
mind anyway. Examine what you believe and ask yourself why do
I believe what I believe, because all that we're living, all
that we're doing, we're doing it through the invisible system
of our beliefs. Change your beliefs, change the way you look
at the world, change the way you look at people, and your entire
world changes with you. It just can't help but be that and do
CML: John, this has been
exciting. You've given us some wonderful things to think about.
On behalf of our listeners, I'd like to thank you for being with
John: Thank you, Charles.
It was my pleasure to be able to spend a little time with you,
and I really enjoyed it and I hope your listeners get a little
bit out of it.
CML: You can find John
on the Internet at http://www.insights2000.com, http://www.powerpause.com
and http://www.mindmarketing.com. And your newest website, soon
to be opened, http://www.enterprisingspirit.com.
John: Thank you, Charles.